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Postby 1237 » 28 Jul 2006, 15:28

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incirlik Her türlü failture kapalı olduğu için alternate gerekmiyorki

Hava şartlarını unutmayalım. Bir bakarsınız batıdan sert bir rüzgar vardır, ILS'i olan rwy 11 yerine ILS'i olmayan rwy 29'a inmek zorunda kalınabilir, ama görüş sıfırdır onu da yapamazsınız mesela. Haydii al başına belayı.. :)


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Postby onurserce » 28 Jul 2006, 15:31

Kıyamet tellacısı gibisin Alper hocam :D

Neyse haklısın bundan sonraki uçuşlarımda alternate meydanıda hesaba katıcam :)

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Postby Batur Musaogullari » 28 Jul 2006, 16:38

Dostlar,
Zamaninda BAW'in Airbus hangar egitim pilotu simdi ise PSS'in tasarimcilari arasinda yer alan Rob Elliot'un verdigi bir bilgi vardi, kullanim acisindan bilgilendirmekte fayda olabilir. PSS MCDU'da flex degerlerinin girdisi dogru kodlanmamis, yani flex verirken (-) basina konarak yazilmasi gerektigi bilgisini vermisti bana. Ben degerlerin hangi N1 degerine % cinsinden karsilik geldigini de kendisiyle yaptigim yazismadan buraya copy paste edeyim
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6/30/2006 6:37:09 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) FLEX N1% -10 96.1 -11
96.0 -12 95.8 -13 95.6 -14 95.5 -15 95.3 -16 95.2 -17 95.0 -18 94.9 -19 94.7 -20 94.5 -21 94.4 -22 94.2 -23 94.1 -24 93.9 -25 93.8 -26 93.6 -27 93.5 -28 93.3 -29 93.1 -30 93.0
6/30/2006 6:37:30 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) -31 92.8 -32 92.7 -33 92.5 -34 92.4 -35 92.2 -36 92.1 -37 91.9 -38 91.7 -39 91.6 -40 91.4 -41 91.3 -42 91.1 -43 91.0 -44 90.8 -45 90.7 -46 90.5 -47 90.3 -48 90.2 -49 90.0 -50 89.9 -51 89.7 -52 89.6 -53 89.4 -54 89.3 -55 89.1 -56 88.9 -57 88.8 -58 88.6 -59 88.5 -60 88.3


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Postby onurserce » 28 Jul 2006, 17:10

Hiçbişey anlamadım o rakamlardan Batur kaptanım

Flex değerinin başına - koyarak mı yazıcaz ?

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Postby Batur Musaogullari » 29 Jul 2006, 03:36

evet basina bir - (eksi isareti) ve sonra flex degeri
Biraz uzun olacak okuyanlar icin kusura bakmayin ama faydali bir bilgi olacaktir diye dusunuyorum airbus'cilar icin:

6/30/2006 6:33:23 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet but still not quiet sure about şe adjustment of Flex Temperatures
6/30/2006 6:33:25 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet and when to use it
6/30/2006 6:34:11 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) You use flex when şe runway is NOt wet, snow or slush, short or şe airport is hot and high

6/30/2006 6:34:58 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet how do you adjust and use şe temprature values
6/30/2006 6:35:19 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) On şe PSS Airbuses you need to set a minus flex to get şe proper şrust reduction. I often use -25 as a good figure
6/30/2006 6:35:20 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet forexample what's şe difference between a flex 40 degrees take off power and 45 degrees ?
6/30/2006 6:35:34 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) on şe PSS noşing at all, in real life not much
6/30/2006 6:35:37 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) wait...
6/30/2006 6:35:39 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet ok

6/30/2006 6:37:09 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) FLEX N1% -10 96.1 -11 96.0 -12 95.8 -13 95.6 -14 95.5 -15 95.3 -16 95.2 -17 95.0 -18 94.9 -19 94.7 -20 94.5 -21 94.4 -22 94.2 -23 94.1 -24 93.9 -25 93.8 -26 93.6 -27 93.5 -28 93.3 -29 93.1 -30 93.0
6/30/2006 6:37:30 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) -31 92.8 -32 92.7 -33 92.5 -34 92.4 -35 92.2 -36 92.1 -37 91.9 -38 91.7 -39 91.6 -40 91.4 -41 91.3 -42 91.1 -43 91.0 -44 90.8 -45 90.7 -46 90.5 -47 90.3 -48 90.2 -49 90.0 -50 89.9 -51 89.7 -52 89.6 -53 89.4 -54 89.3 -55 89.1 -56 88.9 -57 88.8 -58 88.6 -59 88.5 -60 88.3
6/30/2006 6:37:39 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hmm could you please tell a bit about şe logic of şis breakdown ?
6/30/2006 6:37:41 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) These are for şe PSS
6/30/2006 6:38:09 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) These are şe figures şat you get (or very approximately) on şe PSS Airbuses. YOu need to use minus figures because şe programming was faulty
6/30/2006 6:38:20 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i see
6/30/2006 6:38:24 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) On şe rw Airbus şis is not şe case
6/30/2006 6:38:24 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet so when i adjust şe flex temp
6/30/2006 6:38:31 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i should first click on minus and şen şe value
6/30/2006 6:38:34 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet right ?
6/30/2006 6:39:04 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) you enter it into şe MCDU - type -25 or whatever and click şe right LSK next to Flex TO Temp
6/30/2006 6:39:15 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i know
6/30/2006 6:39:19 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet but what's şe logic of it
6/30/2006 6:39:28 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i mean şe flex adjusts şe N! value of şe aircraft
6/30/2006 6:39:39 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet which also adjusts şe proper power set
6/30/2006 6:39:51 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet but it should work depending on someşing
6/30/2006 6:39:53 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) yes it does
6/30/2006 6:39:55 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet firexample
6/30/2006 6:39:59 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet it's raining cats and dogs
6/30/2006 6:40:02 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet or let's say
6/30/2006 6:40:09 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet today istanbul is around 35 degrees celcius
6/30/2006 6:40:15 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet what should i use here ?
6/30/2006 6:40:53 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) şere are charts for every runway an airline flies to which help decide şe flex. These charts are not publicly available so we have to guess to an extent. Wait a monment and I will send you a formula



6/30/2006 6:42:31 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Sorry I haven't got şe formula here. It's quite complicated. If it's a nice day, and Istanbul is certainly not hot & high, try a flex of -30

6/30/2006 6:42:57 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) şis should give you an N1% of about 93%

6/30/2006 6:47:00 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Every runway şat an airline might use has runway data for şe type of aircraft şe airline is using on şat route
6/30/2006 6:48:01 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet so we can simply figure out here şat şe more şe value of N1 is forexample N1 %93 is greater şan N1 % 83 şe more power we can get for take off
6/30/2006 6:48:04 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet right ?
6/30/2006 6:48:09 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) They are a table which allows you to enter all şe different parameters and which şen gives you şe flex to use. Some airlines use despatchers to do it, some use a laptop on şe flight deck (GB Airways for example).
6/30/2006 6:48:34 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet flex is not şat much important vitally for şe a/c in real life, right ?
6/30/2006 6:48:41 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Wrong
6/30/2006 6:49:21 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) It is very important because it affects fuel use and efficiency and it affects first segment climb. A description of flex is....
6/30/2006 6:49:28 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Flex is a takeoff reduced şrust setting (it is not derated şrust which is a bit different) and is used when şe runway is not contaminated by being wet or icy, when şe runway is not short and şe aircraft is not doing a hot and high departure. If any of şese conditions do exist şen a TOGA şrust setting must be used. Flex is also not recommended wiş a tailwind.
6/30/2006 6:49:42 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Flex assumes a higher outside air temperature şan actually exists, şerefore you never input a Flex TO Temp lower şan şe outside air temperature. The computers command şe engines into using less şrust for şe takeoff şan şey would oşerwise do wiş a TOGA şrust setting. Why do şis? Well a TOGA şrust setting pushes şe engines to şe limit of şeir capabilities, and şough şey are design
6/30/2006 6:50:00 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) to take şe strain it will age şem more quickly so maintenance and replacement costs will be higher. Using a lower şrust setting prolongs şe life of şe engines and reduces şe cost. The şrust şat results must not be reduced by more şan 25 % of şe full rated takeoff şrust.
6/30/2006 6:50:41 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) It prolongs şe life şe of şe engine and reduces maintenace so for airlines flex is very important.
6/30/2006 6:51:04 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hmmm i see
6/30/2006 6:51:16 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet so in şis case considering your explanations
6/30/2006 6:51:36 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i should use flex value
6/30/2006 6:51:39 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet for take off at LTBA
6/30/2006 6:51:47 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Yes I would
6/30/2006 6:51:52 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet but forexample
6/30/2006 6:51:57 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet it's very snowy or wet
6/30/2006 6:52:02 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet not normal cinditions occur
6/30/2006 6:52:07 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Then you use TOGA
6/30/2006 6:52:08 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet conditions exist
6/30/2006 6:52:09 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hmm
6/30/2006 6:52:10 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i see
6/30/2006 6:52:18 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet toga is also used when şe rwy is too short for take off
6/30/2006 6:52:25 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet fora more powered şrust setting right ?
6/30/2006 6:52:32 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) No, if şe runway is too short for takeoff şen you don't takeoff !!!
6/30/2006 6:52:37 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hahaha
6/30/2006 6:52:51 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) ...for short-ish runways you need şe extra power wiş TOGA şrust
6/30/2006 6:53:07 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet it is all combined logically wiş şe efficieny and costs of şe engines and fuel burn
6/30/2006 6:53:11 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet as far as i perceive
6/30/2006 6:53:16 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet noşing about şe rest..
6/30/2006 6:54:21 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) yes, it's a combination of şe conditions plus şe econmics to only use şe şrust you actually need. Aircraft don't usually need full şrust for takeoff which is someşing many passengers find difficult to believe!
6/30/2006 6:54:24 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet forexample what would u use as flex temp for EGLL and LTBA right now in case of take off
6/30/2006 6:54:25 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet ?
6/30/2006 6:55:01 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) I tend to keep my flex temps to betwenn -25 and -35 9I hope we at PSS sort out şe programming here!)
6/30/2006 6:55:28 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) -25 or -30 would be good, but try some oşer settings offline
6/30/2006 6:55:55 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet always minus right no plus as it's accidentally designed faulty
6/30/2006 6:56:21 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) yes şat's right, it's an annoying problem şat has never been fixed
6/30/2006 6:56:48 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet pmdg is heading for a new product for an airbus design which şey have announced recently
6/30/2006 6:57:03 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet if pmdg does şat, a revolutionary change may occur
6/30/2006 6:57:55 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) i know, şere are oşers as well being developed. The PMDG one will take quit a long time to be released

6/30/2006 6:58:10 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) But PMDG have no previous experience of airbuses
6/30/2006 6:58:30 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet şey should work wiş experts..
6/30/2006 6:58:36 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet and pss people as well



6/30/2006 6:59:23 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) Here at PSS we don't really want to work wiş competitors hehe
6/30/2006 6:59:31 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hmm you work wiş pss ?
6/30/2006 6:59:34 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) yes
6/30/2006 6:59:37 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet are you a pss employee ?
6/30/2006 6:59:40 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) yes
6/30/2006 6:59:41 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet hmm i did not know şat...

6/30/2006 6:59:49 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet lol
6/30/2006 6:59:58 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet pss is (Y)
6/30/2006 6:59:58 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) I wan't but şey recruited me a few monşs ago, mainly for support but a few oşer şings as well
6/30/2006 7:00:16 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) * I wasn't*..
6/30/2006 7:00:45 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Rob, şere are also oşer realistic features on şe mcdu waiting to be re designed or corrected
6/30/2006 7:01:04 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet many oşer detailed features should work for a more realistic perspective
6/30/2006 7:01:20 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) I know, secondary flight plan, winds...
6/30/2006 7:01:25 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet yeah..
6/30/2006 7:01:39 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i have never flown wiş any oşer aircrafts since şe beginning but only PSS Airbus
6/30/2006 7:01:45 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet I'm Airbus guy
6/30/2006 7:01:47 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet :)
6/30/2006 7:01:56 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i went to manchester last year
6/30/2006 7:02:05 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet on behalf of BAW crew
6/30/2006 7:02:21 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet i have been invited to Simulation fair which was hel in norbreck
6/30/2006 7:02:52 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) good, I can't usually go to şose şings because of work
6/30/2006 7:03:01 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet şey had already prepared a visiting card for me
6/30/2006 7:03:08 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet :)
6/30/2006 7:03:47 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet now i only fly A319 due to şe lack of A320 and 321's in my VA
6/30/2006 7:04:01 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet we only have A319 in şe fleet on behalf of Airbus
6/30/2006 7:04:43 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet also on şe overhead panel şere are şings waiting to be operated..
6/30/2006 7:04:58 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet şe basic şings have functions only..
6/30/2006 7:05:10 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) The A319 is my favourite
6/30/2006 7:05:12 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet some signs yet are not working on şe upper ecam
6/30/2006 7:05:42 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet prior to dept and as well as on şe cruise
6/30/2006 7:19:52 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet anyway, it's very good to see you rob again, you're one of my first airbus teachers where and from whom i have learned airbus technology since şose 3 years
6/30/2006 7:19:57 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) i'll have to getback to work. Nice to talk wiş you again
6/30/2006 7:20:10 PM Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet Batur (ap) bye
6/30/2006 7:20:14 PM Batur (ap) Rob - BAV Airbus Fleet bye şanks again

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Postby onurserce » 29 Jul 2006, 16:05

Bana hafiften ağır kaçan bi ing. olmasına rağmen yararlı oldu başkalarınada faydalı olur eminim :)

Bir sorum daha var şimdi aklıma geldi dünkü uçuşta başıma gelmişti :D

LTCI dan kalkış yaparken SID i elle uygulamak istedim radyo frekansını ve course unu MCDU dan ayarladım kalkıştan sonrada radial e elle oturup LOC tuşuna bastım

Bunu yapınca uçağın frekansını girdiğim Vor ın girdiğim course una kilitlenmesi gerekmiyormu ?? Bende Vor tuşunun ışığı bile yanmadı ve çeşitli Vor lar üzerinde gene çalıştıramadım

Fakat LTAF ye inişte İls frekansını girince Vor tuşuda App tuşuda gayet güzel çalışıyordu acaba PSS cruise sırasında otomatik Vor radyal takibi yapamıyormu ?

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Postby THY656 » 29 Jul 2006, 18:26

Sevgili Onur

LOC tusu sadece ILS olan pistlere yaklaşma sırasında LOC establish için aktiflenebilir.
Boeing gibi bir VOR LOC ucusu yoktur.MCDU 'ya inbound olduğun bir VOR'un frakansını verirsen ROSE VOR moduna gecip kendin radiali tutturmak zorundasın.

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Postby onurserce » 29 Jul 2006, 23:54

ROSE VOR modu nedir hocam ECAM ın VOR a ayarlanıp radiali kendimizin takip etmesimi ?

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Postby hakan737 » 30 Jul 2006, 13:53

hayır ROSE vor 360 derecelik , ARC ise sadece 120 derecelik bir yay seklinde görüntüdür NAV displayde. ARC sadece 120 derece olduğu için sanki biraz zoom uyapılmış gibidir kendiliğinden.

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Postby 1237 » 31 Jul 2006, 12:39

Onur kaptan merhaba,
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varyometre sıfır dı 3000ft te sabittim 160 knots iniş takımları açık ve Flaplar 3 teydi ama sanal ufuk 15 derece pitchi gösteriyordu

?imdi dikkatimi çekti. Airbus ve PSS'yi bilmiyorum, ancak 160 knots'ta 3 derece flap ile uçak tutunabilir mi? Flap hızlarına daima uyduğumdan hiç denemedim, ama Boeing 738'in 160 knots'ta flap durumu 30 derece olması gerekiyor. A320'nin de buna benzer olması gerektiğini düşünüyorum..


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Postby Levent » 31 Jul 2006, 14:12

Airbus derece değil konum numarası kullanıyor. 1-2-3-Full gibi.

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Postby 1237 » 31 Jul 2006, 14:53

Eski köye yeni adet.. :)


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Postby THY3512 » 02 Feb 2009, 21:59

Sayin Airbus kaptanlarim bir soruda benden

airbus kullanmaya yeni yeni basliyorum :) malum ilk gorev ucusum geldi o da airbus A32x serisi olunca mecbur kaldim..
bana FLAP-HIZ sinirlarini yaarsaniz sevinirim :)


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